POST #8
After you complete the readings listed on the calendar for this weekend, please write your blog response on the following question:
How do aspects of Ortiz Cofer's and Haydar's appearances affect how they are treated by other people?
Lenth: one well-developed paragraph
Due: before our next class meeting
REMINDER:
Bring THREE PRINT-OUTS of your annotated bibliography rough draft (all citations, annotations, and a working thesis statement) on Monday. We'll be doing our workshop slightly differently so you will need three copies.
If you're feeling stuck somewhere in your research process, e-mail me right away and I can start helping you.
SAMPLE SUMMARY:
By the way, here's a sample summary of "Framing Class."
This excerpt is from a book that analyzes how the media influences popular attitudes towards class in America. In her critique, Kendall argues that the media either minimizes the reality of class difference or it creates and reinforces inaccurate stereotypes about the different classes. Furthermore, she draws a clear link between media portrayals of the rich and unwise spending choices of the average American. Kendall repeatedly supports her argument by referring to the findings of other scholars. This selection concludes with a few solutions that Kendall proposes, the most significant one being an approach to journalism that presents issues that are relevant to the average American’s life.
Remember these guidelines for summaries:
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Joel said...
ReplyDeletePeople have treated Ortiz in very negative ways. Her own people criticized her by calling her white and tall. She was made fun of at school for being skinny and short. Ortiz was never picked in sporty games because she was skinny. White people then put her down about her being too dark and dirty. Ortiz never had the benefit of having a positive image to others until she was in college. She then became “exotic.”
Haydar did not experience the negative remarks as much as Ortiz. People would just suspect if she was a terrorist because of 9/11. She never spoke of people judging her because of what she wore. Other than that, Haydar was treated rather fairly throughout her life experience and was judged by only her personality because she was always covered, never revealing her body to be sexually harassed.
Haydar talked about that she wore the hijab because men typically judge women by looks, their hair, smile etc. But haydar sai by wearing the hijab people would like her for her and not what they saw. She talked about the guys who liked her for who she was and not what she looked like. She wanted people to be attracted to her and not just how her body looked. Ortiz wasnt treated the same growing up because she hadnt grown into her body till college. She was a tall whiter girl and even her own people criticized her for that. In school she was never picked in sports because she was to skinny and looked different. Once she was in college she finally filled out and was seen as exotic to men .
ReplyDeleteOrtiz's skin color and size effected her overall appearnce and how others saw her;while Haydar was being judged on by being covered. Haydar recieved respect from men that she was around becuase of the way she presented her self.Her interactions with the opposite sex was not based on her body or how her hair looked that day but on who she was as a person. In Ortiz's case she was always picked on for being tall, skinny, and Spanish. She wasnt popular with the boys becuase of her body shape, and would get chased after in super markets becuase of her skin color. She finally filled out in college and was seen as "exotic". And respected and valued not for her appearance which was just a variable in her life but for her she was as a person.
ReplyDeleteOrtiz and Haydar had both dealt with criticisms throughout their life. Out of the two though I would say that Ortiz dealt with a lot more negativity then Haydar did. Ortiz was criticized for being skinny and tall. She was once called "dirty" when a worker at a market was referring to her skin. She was always the last person picked during sports. Once she got to college she felt a little better because she wasn't really picked on. In college she was seen as an "exotic" girl. Haydar chose to cover herself with a veil so she wouldn't be judged by her body. She wanted people to like her for who she was and not how she looked. Haydar got lots of respect from men and wasnt tormented by slurs or insults from men on the street. Every once in a while people would look at her like she was a terrorist. But besides that most girls just thought she was "forced" by her culture to wear the veil when in fact she chose to wear it.
ReplyDeleteOrtiz Cofer's overall physical appearance did not allow for her to be fully accepted by others. Members of her family thought she was to "white" for being Puerto Rican, while adults she encountered in the U.S. thought she was "brown" and dirty. Her classmates didn't like to pick her to be on their teams because she was to skinny and short. People judged her by these superficial traits rather than by her intelligence. Haydar, on the other hand, was judged because she covered her physical appearance. Her beauty or skin color did not play roles in the respect she received from everyone, because in the U.S. the wearing of the hijab meant the wearer should be treated with respect. As she got older and times changed she was often stereotyped because she wore the hijab, especially after 9/11. Unlike Ortiz, Haydar learned to respect herself by veiling her appearance from the rest of the world.
ReplyDeleteJoseph Wimmer
ReplyDeleteOrtiz's story was very touching because it was so easy to relate with her. Since she was so diminutive, she was always picked last in pe classes, which is always a real blow to someones ego. That coupled with her facial scars she received from the pox made her an outcast. She learned to hide her face, and be ashamed of her height from culture. She was also discriminated against because of her skin color, and heritage. People would look at her and associate her with dirtiness.
Haydar chose to take her out of the sexual rat race by wearing clothes that made her appear to religious, or taken, to be approached. This effectively alleviated the sexual tension between her and the other sex, and allowed her to create meaningful relationships with the opposite sex. It is interesting how so many people would associate her choice to veil herself with being captive, when she felt liberated.
Both Haydar and Ortiz were treated differently according to their appearance. Ortiz, who in her ethnicity would be considered beautiful, was not thought to be so pretty around the white people. Haydar concealed her looks so that she wouldn't be judged on them as she grew up, and she wasn't. Haydar claims that it would be good if all girls did the same so that looks wouldn't play such a big role in their life. In this nation however, we place a high value on our appearance and jugde others with it as well.
ReplyDeleteWhile both were treated differently in society Haydar viewed her choosing to wear the veil very positively after realizing that it helped people view her without judging her based on outer appearance. She felt that the amount of emphasis put on beauty to young women was the oppression not her hiding her face. Ortiz was treated rudely, being told about her dirty PR hands, being tall, skinny, boney and called blanca. This led her to try to hide her appearence and scars. Saying she had to learn to be pretty.
ReplyDeleteOrtiz was solely judged based on her appearance. Her family referred to her as being "white" and when she moved to the US she was always referred to as "brown". Ortiz was also one of the smallest children in school. She was never picked for sports and was usually forced upon a team, which she hated. She was also thought of as "dirty" because of the color of her skin. One the other hand, Haydar was judged mainly on her intellectuals and her personality. She always said boys liked her for her and not for her body. Even though she wasn't judge as much as Ortiz was, she was still discriminated against. People were more racist against her people more than her herself. People usually commented on her veil and why she wore it, rather than what she looked like. Overall, they both deserved more respect.
ReplyDeleteGrowing up Ortiz was constantly being judged because of her Puerto Rican ethnicity. When she was a little girl, a butcher at a supermarket was constantly on guard making sure she wouldn't steal from his store when all she was doing was admiring the organization of the store and teaching herself how to read by looking at the labels on the food. It's funny how the things she was ridiculed for when growing up are now the things that men are attracted to because they consider her exotic. After reading Haydar's article it reminded me of a girl I knew in high school that had converted to Islam and I think I have a better understanding of why. The way others view the the clothing she wears is the complete opposite of what her clothing really symbolizes. Regardless of the fact that people judge and criticize her because of her veil, she embraces the freedom it gives her. Society is so obsessed with conformity and when someone doesn't look "normal" they judge with temerity. I really respect what the veil represents to Haydar and it'd be nice if more woman respected their bodies and themselves the way she does.
ReplyDeleteBoth these articles demonstrate how differently these two women were treated as a result of the way that they dressed. Ortiz was criticized for her small stature and skin complexion as a Latina. One example was Ted having to back out on the date because his father did not approve of him dating a Hispanic. Haydar on the other was judged a lot differently. She was actually treated with more respect because of her veil. Her decision to wear a veil symbolized her freedom as a woman.
ReplyDeleteDespite cultural differences, both Ortiz and Haydar were treated according to their appearance. Ortiz's Puerto Rican background earned a childhood filled with discrimination, having being called "dirty" and constantly being watched over. Compared to her hispanic family, she was considered "white" but this wasn't the same with her other non-family companions. She was also considered tall during her childhood but as years went by, she gained her full stature at five feet. Haydar on the other hand has gained certain treatment based on the veil she wore on her head. People automatically assumed that she was this conservative, non-outgoing person and to their surprise, she was not like that at all. She was actually just like any other girl except she never felt the need to wear certain clothing in order to get anyone's attention. Both Ortiz and Haydar were treated according to their appearance and both, as they grew older, accepted who they were and never felt the need to be change who they were.
ReplyDeleteOrtiz is being discriminated by the fact that she has coffee color skin. She is described a dirty puerto rican who is not physically fit and is not capable a white person. Haydar is seen as a conservative quiet fundamentalist girl that seems to be drawn by her beliefs. Although she is sought to be a certain way she is not, she listens to heavy metal, likes karate and skateboarding.
ReplyDeleteKevin .:martian:.
both women are treated differently than there own cultures would because of the way they looked or dressed. Ortiz was a short girl growing up who came from puerto rico. only growing to be 5 ft tall and skinny as a twig, she was always picked last for gym, looked down on or made fun of, and even not allowed to go to a dance with a white boy bacause his father had his own bias against puerto ricans. When she was 8, ortiz had a store that she frequented for her mom and was constantly watched, and kicked out of because one of the owners didn't like puerto ricans bacause he thinks they are "dirty".
ReplyDeletefor haydar, she is judged beacuse she wears a veil and is muslim. no on she meets takes the time to find out about her real interests or life. people look down on her bacause she covers up when the only reason she started to wear it was because her parents forced her too. she even ended up marrying a white christian man, and celebrates christmas. although now she covers up for herself, to be modest and now she understand the meaning of why you cover up, she doesn;t resort to the full length veil but to one that suits her life style in New York- pants, long sleeves and a scarf on her head.